compete against delaware, west virginia, new york, new jersey, and we are competing against china, india, singapore, and those countries are just off the charts in educational advancement. we have to keep up and the good news is we have done a great job of pennsylvania and because the legislature and administration together invested over $3 billion of addition am funding on an annual basis for education. but now the crunch time rolls ruined and the republicans and senate say that no new revenue and we want to cut, cut, cut and we want to cut a billion dollars out of public education. i say that we have to make cuts and we made $2.5 billion in those cuts. we need to protect education and that means that raising reasonable revenues. getting rid of some of our sales tax exemptions as a possibility. there are a number of ways without hurting the public handling we can raise revenue. >> larry: bill, do you get what you pay for in education? the more you spend, do you get better schools, better education, kids? >> no. we need more money. for instance, it is $4,000 per child. however, costs hav